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By Marc Schollett
Monday, October 12, 2009 at 12:11 p.m.

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According to MDOT spokesman Bob Felt "the interesting thing about the green on the sign posts is they are kind of hard to see. We did that for a reason, so drivers can focus on their job behind the wheel and that's being as safe as possible". But MDOT's effort to find a color that wouldn't draw a lot of attention failed. Or maybe it's not so much the color, as the fact that there are just so many of those paint spots on signs along US 31, 131 and M-75. Whatever the reason, our viewer's spotted them and wanted to know what was up.

As Bob Felt explains, "We have a project involving about 100 miles of roadways, 3 different highways that need signs replaced. Once the sign reaches the end of its life because of weather and age we replace them. That's one way to mark the signs so the contractor which is working with us will know which ones to replace."

So over the next few months, all of the signs and stakes that have a green dot on them along US 131, US 31 and M-75, from Benzie County to the south and to Petoskey to the north will be removed and replaced. Felt says "In some cases the signs have been out there for 15 years. There comes a time in every signs life that it needs to be replaced for better visibility." But this effort by MDOT isn't just about replacing. It also includes good old fashioned addition as well. As Felt explains "where we have the green stakes with green paint on them that's where new signs will live."

If you have seen them you are probably saying to yourself, those signs don't look too bad, and there sure appears to be an awful lot of them slated for replacement, so how much is this going to cost? According to MDOT, they are investing half a million dollars to replace signs along 100 miles in Northern Michigan. And now you might be saying, I know of half million dollars of other improvements I would want before signs! I asked Mr. Felt about but that and he explained "We have federal money every year we have to use to invest in projects like this because we are required to take a percentage of the money we receive and put it into safety projects. As new signs come along so does new technology and there is some sheeting on some of these that have some reflectivity on it that's much brighter than the signs of the past so that becomes a better visible sign."

So the federal money, which ultimately actually comes from Michigan taxpayers in the form of fees like our gas tax, is restricted in terms of what MDOT can spend it on, and according to MDOT "That means we are not going to use it or can't use it to patch potholes, to do road construction projects or any other purpose including another form of maintenance."

So, we get green spots now and new signs by spring time. In the meantime, a few workers get a little green in their wallets. Felt says "This project and any in the construction industry is always a good day in the neighborhood when we can put people to work in some cases, its MDOT folks, in others its a contractor but that is still good news for Michigan."

 

So what do you think? Please leave your comments below.

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Did anyone read this part of the article?

Posted by Jason O'Brien, Grand Rapids - Wednesday, October 21, 2009 at 6:45 p.m.

"So the federal money, which ultimately actually comes from Michigan taxpayers in the form of fees like our gas tax, is restricted in terms of what MDOT can spend it on, and according to MDOT 'That means we are not going to use it or can't use it to patch potholes, to do road construction projects or any other purpose including another form of maintenance.'"

Road Sign Replacement

Posted by Nancy La Clear, Mancelona - Tuesday, October 13, 2009 at 12:44 p.m.

Is this really happening in Michigan???? As I watched the news story, I shook my head in disbelief. As a former state employee, I know how little money the state has. To replace signs, that there is absolutely nothing wrong with, is just ludicrous. I used to travel on I-75 and I-127 every weekend, for over 2 years, and the only signs I saw that needed replacing were the ones that some has crashed into due to bad weather. I understand the need for safety on our roads, however, I think if I had the choice, I would rather use the money for repainting the lines on the roads. By the way, what IS going to happen to all the signs getting replaced? What landfill or salvage yard are they going to end up in? I'm just very disturbed that this un-necessary spending is going to take place over the next year.

SHAME ON YOU

Posted by tom farmer, mancelona - Tuesday, October 13, 2009 at 11:15 a.m.

What is one to do? Mr. Felt claims that some of the signs are 15 years old. How many is that? Enough to just replace them all? (If your car gets dirty do you just buy a new one?) He claims again the need is justified because of fading, chipping, damage... I drove the area around Mancelona last night and saw not even ONE sign that did not reflect clearly in my head lights. This includes the side road signs that are marked for replacement with the addition of stop ahead signs. Are you nuts!? I live on a unimproved backroad with three houses on it. You plan to put a stop ahead sign a curve sign and a new stop sign. WOW we really need that now don't we. (Oh wait you forgot to mention that side roads are getting new signs with the addition of stop ahead signs.) Maybe that is what the other $500,000 is slated for. A quick look into MDOT road projects show this at a cost of $1,000,000.00 projection. Opps. As for the "hidden" green paint spots... You didn't want to distract drivers? Or more like you didn't want to call attention to another waste of OUR money. You said that this money was slated for safety improvement... How about giving it to the state police so they can hire back some of our laid off officers. I personally would feel safer and as you said it would be putting more green in the pocket or did you mean your pocket. Wasting money to make money or you can't have anymore? You agree with that? Maybe we should all use that thought. Some of us could burn our homes down, that would put contractors, plumbers, electricians back to work. Maybe bang your car into a tree that would get a few more people working too. The state is in a major down fall and all you can think of is wasting money so you can get more. SHAME ON YOU!

SHAME ON YOU

Posted by tom farmer, mancelona - Tuesday, October 13, 2009 at 11:08 a.m.

What is one to do? Mr. Felt claims that some of the signs are 15 years old. How many is that? Enough to just replace them all? ( If your car gets dirty do you just buy a new one?) He claims again the need is justified because of fading, chipping, damage... I drove the area around Mancelona last night and saw not even ONE sign that did not reflect clearly in my head lights. This includes the side road signs that are marked for replacement with the addition of stop ahead signs. Are you nuts? I live on a unimproved backroad with three houses on it. You plan to put a stop ahead sign a curve sign and a new stop sign. WOW we really need that now don't we. ( Oh wait you forgot to mention that side road are getting new signs with the addition of stop ahead signs.) Maybe that is what the other $500,000 is slated for. A quick look into Mdot road projects show this at a cost of $1,000,000.00 projection. Opps. As for the "hidden" green paint spots... You didn't want to distract drivers? Or more like you didn't want to call attention to another waste of OUR money. You said that this money was slated for safety improvement... How about giving it to the state police so they can hire back some of our laid of officers. I personally would feel safer and as you said it would be putting more green in the pocket or did you mean your pocket. Wasting money to make money or you can't have anymore? You agree with that? Maybe we should all use that thought. Some of us could burn our homes down, that would put contractors, plumbers, electricians back to work. Maybe bang your car into a tree that would get a few more people working too. state is in a major down fall and all you can think of is wasting money so you can get more.

Unimpressed

Posted by Ed Wallace, Traverse City - Tuesday, October 13, 2009 at 12:00 a.m.

Not suprisingly, I'm un-impressed by the coverage. Obviously, at least 1 person already agrees that we need the new signs, as has been blogged. Trust me, the signs that were pictured in the piece were hand selected, or taken in a very short stretch of road and are of similar vintage. Trust me, I've been intimate with most all of the signage from Chum's Corners to Cadillac Hwy, I mark buried utilities for Miss Dig. 95% of the signs are in good to excellent condition and would easily survive another 15-20 yrs, and then they would only look more unsightly, but could easily continue to withstand their duties after that. MDOT was unduly given the time to defend this waste of our tax dollars and attempt to justify this mis-allocation of funds (as well as the fact that the replacement contract was given to an outfit from Flint-Action Traffic, not locally). They're no better than our school districts (I used to work within a local district as well...) which allocates funds to equipment and projects that would make your stomach turn.(ie: new file cabinets each year and disposal of perfectly good ones, just because the money had been budgeted for them along with a thousand other ridiculous items)

more government waste

Posted by Susan Chambers, St. Helen - Monday, October 12, 2009 at 11:56 p.m.

This is another example of incompetent government waste. Does it make any sense to replace all the signs in a certain area when most of the signs and poles are still in excellent shape? It would make more sense to replace just the bad ones so then a bigger area could be done. This doesn't make any sense for a state that never has any money.

Sign Replacement

Posted by Dennis Collier, Bear Lake - Monday, October 12, 2009 at 6:17 p.m.

Fine, we need to replace the signs. But don't just pitch them - sell the old ones as souvenirs. Both the locals and the tourists would love them and the revenue could be used on other projects.

Stop Spending

Posted by Charles Foust, Suttons Bay - Monday, October 12, 2009 at 3:01 p.m.

I realize that this is a strange idea, but how about we stop spending money we don't need to and lower our gas tax? All these agencies that spend the money so they get the money the next year rather than only spend what is really needed are a HUGE problem!
We have gotten into a pattern of spending way more than we as a nation can afford and just running up our national DEBT. The dollar is losing its value and that hurts all of us. Let's start a new pattern of paying off our debt FIRST and then replace signs that don't need changing.

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