Fact Finder: Drinking Fountain Runs, Runs, Runs....Why? Watch Video Read Comments
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By Marc Schollett
Wednesday, October 07, 2009 at 12:42 p.m.

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There is no shortage of water down by the Grand Traverse Bay, but one of our viewers actually found an excess of H20 in an unlikely place. Call it the energizer bunny of drinking fountains. It just keeps going and going.

Our viewer found it running first back in May, while on her daily walk along the trail at the Open Space. And then again, every day there after the water was just running, day and night. She looked a little closer, and concluded something had to wrong. The push button wasn't stuck. The button wasn't there at all.

Each time she passed, she got a little more concerned. All that water was just going down the drain. How much? We tried it out. The stream coming out the fountain fills up a one cup measuring cup in about 10 seconds, which means about 540 gallons a day, about 16 thousand gallons a month, and around 70-thousand gallons this summer season has run through the fountain. Our viewer wondered why that much water was allowed to go down the drain. What happens to the water once it does? And if it's broken, why hasn't the city fixed it?

Good questions that deserve answers. So I went straight to the City Department of Public Service which houses the city's Parks and Recreation Department. Lauren Vaughn is the department's superintendent and he makes it perfectly clear, "No it's not broken, it's designed to run."

As it turns out, the non stop running water is no accident for two reasons; depth and a dead end.

Let's start with depth. The water pipe that brings water to the non stop fountain is the same one that brings water to the underground sprinklers. Because it feeds these sprinklers heads, the pipe can't be very deep. That's a problem, because pipes close to the surface get warm during the day if the water isn't running, and who wants to drink warm water?

Mr. Vaughn says the obvious solution of putting in new pipes would fix part of the problem; it is not a fix all. He explains "getting it lower would keep it cooler, but still it needs to run to keep it fresh and good." And another problem exists. The foundation from the former power plant is still intact in places. That would make running pipes deeper across the field to the fountain almost impossible.

And that brings us to our second problem, a dead end. This drinking fountain is at the end of the line, in term of water. If this drinking fountain had an on and off button, and wasn't being used much, the water would just sit in the 200ft long line that runs from the street to the fountain. Sit, get warm and get stagnant until someone pushed the button for a drink. Other fountains are closer to the street with deeper pipes, thus they don't have to run all the time to stay fresh and cool.

So that's why they have to run this fountain from May to October, to keep the water moving in those shallow pipes in order for it to stay cool and fresh. But where does all that water from all those months go after it goes down the drain?

Mr. Vaughn explains "its set up to a French drain system where there is gravel and sand that it drains into, then down into the water table. It doesn't get sent back into the water plant to be treated, it just goes right straight into the water table."

So it's not being treated once it goes down the drain, but it is before it arrives here? So who is paying for that?

Mr. Vaughn says "yeah, we do pay for it; it goes from our account and gets transferred from one of our line items into the water fund. The city pays the city for it basically."

So what do you think? Please leave a comment below.

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OK

Posted by T C, Traverse City - Monday, October 12, 2009 at 10:25 p.m.

OK first things first, I never claimed to know everything as you imply but, there is NO fountain at the "open space". There is one at the volleyball courts and then the one in question at the site of the old L&P power plant, thats it. When I said it was too far for the one at the visitor center, it was a shot at sarcasm because the "dangerous highway" you have to cross to get there. The media did not "blow it out of proportion", they just didn't get the facts right, nor did they get them from the correct personnel. While it may have been interesting to some folks, it can be irritating to others when people make unfounded comments as they have below about something they know very little about. So if making the effort in reporting the news means getting it half right well then I guess they did a fine job.

Who is TC?

Posted by Tanya Warren, Traverse City - Monday, October 12, 2009 at 10:24 a.m.

I was sure that there was a drinking fountain at the marina, right there at the open space. TC says no. TC says that crossing the street is too far to go. TC says that the media blows it all out of proportion. TC says, TC says, TC says. Who is TC anyway? TC posts an aweful lot of comments on this website, but TC never posts a name. Odd. It seems like TC would want us all to know the name, so we would know who to go to for the correct answer to everything!! Anyway, this is a fact finder report. Someone wanted to know the answer, and it is interesting to some of us. And I am glad that some people are trying to make a difference. We should all be making the effort...

So..

Posted by Sue Killenbeck, Northern Michigan - Friday, October 09, 2009 at 4:03 p.m.

Ok TC you seem to be holding back some information on this story? Like you know something that wasn't reported here? So tell us where are the half truths in it? The viewer had a question as to why it ran...and I think the city department which is in charge of the fountain explained that it ran on purpose for the reason expressed. You may not have liked the story, but that doesn't make it a lie.

Tones

Posted by T C, Traverse City - Friday, October 09, 2009 at 3:41 p.m.

It has nothing to do with being negative. I am simply tired of the media at any level, on any side creating stories that are based on half truths just to make a story. Worse yet the general public just buys right into it. So if I seem negative then so be it, but it isn't without good reason.

be constructive

Posted by william michaels, elk rapids - Friday, October 09, 2009 at 8:16 a.m.

TC,

very negative tones. if you know all the answers please enlighten those of us who aren't as smart as you.

Unreal

Posted by T C, Traverse City - Thursday, October 08, 2009 at 9:23 p.m.

I can't believe the opinions people can have about something they know so little about. You people are taking this report as if it were written with factual information. The only fact is that it runs all the time and the calculations are close. The rest of it is based on comments made by a dept. that has little to do with the operations of the fountain.

I am surprised

Posted by T C, NORTHERN MICHIGAN - Thursday, October 08, 2009 at 7:54 p.m.

I guess I'm not surprised that the waste of over 80,000 gallons of potable water per year for at least the past two years (if not more) is thought of as irrelevant in this era of "whatever"! Because government is "paying" people consider it not worth their time, but waste is waste and they fail to remember that we are the government and WE pay for all things government.

I know the facts

Posted by M H, Traverse City - Thursday, October 08, 2009 at 3:25 p.m.

Dear T C,

I don't use 70 gallons to take a 5 min shower. At least the water in the shower is being used for a purpose. I don't let it run all day long for long periods of time.

Fantastic!

Posted by william michaels, elk rapids - Thursday, October 08, 2009 at 1:26 p.m.

I think it's great somebody took the time to run down something like this. We all see things in the community which aren't quite right and if you start to get the little things right the bigger things will follow. I don't think the issue here is wasted water as it goes back into the aquifer. I don't think it's worth spending the money to treat the water however and therefore this citizen votes to shut the fountain down

Water

Posted by Douglas Wallman, Roscommon - Thursday, October 08, 2009 at 9:00 a.m.

Apparently it's a really slow day in the newsroom.

Know your facts

Posted by T C, Traverse City - Wednesday, October 07, 2009 at 10:46 p.m.

GN, have you ever had city water in mid-July? Probably not...It runs about 65-70 degrees and isn't very tasty.

MH, Think about how much water just went down the drain after your next shower.

RC, perfect!

Tanya, there is no fountain in the "open space", the one at the visitors center makes you cross the road and the one at the zoo is much too far to walk I'm sure.

Oh and Marc Schollett next time you want "facts", go the the right dept. for answers. Just a guess, maybe the water dept. on this one.

wasted water

Posted by Nathan Chuchill, Mackinaw City - Wednesday, October 07, 2009 at 10:33 p.m.

The cost probably comes out to $100 per gulp. Shut it down.

Warm water?

Posted by G N, TC - Wednesday, October 07, 2009 at 6:32 p.m.

Hmm, if it becomes a sink then a proper drain will need to be installed. That takes money. If they insulate the pipe, that takes money. If they leave it as is, that takes money. If they install a valve, then people are drinking warm water? I don't believe that. Eight inches underground in the sun is still cool. Even room temperature water tastes cool in a 98.6 degree mouth. It's city water right? I doubt that's gonna stagnate. I think someone's blowing smoke. I think there are two, low cost options here. 1.) Terminate the line and remove the fountain. 2.) Install a valve and allow people to drink water the way it was intended to be drank.

What a waste of water...

Posted by M H, Traverse City - Wednesday, October 07, 2009 at 2:43 p.m.

"Around 70-thousand gallons this summer season has run through the fountain."

What a waste of water and energy. There are so many people walking around with bottled water. Shut it down.

Bigger Fish to Fry

Posted by R C, Maple City - Wednesday, October 07, 2009 at 2:17 p.m.

I have to chuckle at that fact this this person actually wasted their time wondering why a drinking fountain was constantly running. Please, put your efforts toward something worthwhile. There are pleanty of other topics that need the type of energy that you apparently have.

Why this one?

Posted by Tanya Warren, Traverse CIty - Wednesday, October 07, 2009 at 1:27 p.m.

Aren't there other fountains in the area? Seems like there's one at the marina, which is right next to the open space. And one across the street at the welcome center. and one at the zoo. Why not save the money and shut this one down?

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