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By Marc Schollett
Friday, September 18, 2009 at 9:35 p.m.

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The emails have poured into the newsroom. They report that a Northern Michigan man shot and killed a cougar. Maybe you've seen them. The emails say who shot it, where he works and how it all happened. They have generated a lot of buzz here at the station and even more at the store that the man supposedly owns. But is it true? The answer I found is the subject of this Fact Finder.

The email in question includes pictures of dead cougar, a man posing with it, and a conservation officer, plus the following text:

"This is Mark Bailey who owns the IGA Grocery store in Mesick, Mi. He  heard his dogs barking and went out to check it out. They had the lion in the tree. When the lion saw Mark, he jumped out of the tree and came towards him.. His dog attacked the lion in the side which gave Mark enough time to pull his hand gun out and shoot the lion 9 times. It did not kill him but disabled him. He called the DNR who finished him off. If it weren't for Mark's dog, he would have been attacked."

The email is spreading like wildfire. It has been sent to me alone more than 50 times in the past week. Some viewers are stating its fact, and proof that there are cougars in Michigan. Others are just wondering if it's true at all.

Although each version is a little different, they share some common trends. Each one comes with a handful of pictures and describes how a cougar was shot and killed by Mark Bailey who owns the grocery store in Mesick. Since the last known cougar was shot in Michigan more than a century ago, this has created a lot of buzz and not just in cyberspace. The grocery store mentioned in the email is getting a lot of inquiries as well.

Ken Abraham is the actually owner of the grocery store. He told me "We got the email about 3 weeks ago, but the last 10 days it's been everyday, 10, 15, 20 phone calls a day." Ken was able to find the first inaccuracy in the email. It states that Mark Bailey owns the store. Ken does actually, and as for any employee of store, Ken sums it up pretty simply "there is no Mark Bailey."

So it wasn't the owner or an employee of the grocery store in Mesick who shot the cougar. But that doesn't mean the entire email is a hoax right? I mean maybe the original writer of the email just got their facts crossed up. After all it doesn't really matter where the hunter works but rather where the cougar was shot. So I dug a little deeper, and we might know that information as well. I sent the email to several DNR officers I know here in Michigan. They told to me "go west" based on one picture in particular. The picture shows the cougar, the shooter, and a conservation officer in uniform. I started forwarding the email to fish and game departments around the country to see if they recognize the officer pictured and after several attempts, a hit in New Mexico.

Wildlife management division chief Jim Lane of the New Mexico Game and Fish Department wrote back "That is definitely one of our guys in uniform. Might be Officer Colin Duff."

 

So my next step was to track down Officer Duff, who spends a lot of time in the field in New Mexico. After a few days, he fired back this email which pretty much put the story to rest.

Marc,
 
Yes this happened in New Mexico mid April 2009.  I am the Officer in the photograph.  The story is reported somewhat right, except the location.  This happened about 10 miles south of Cloudcroft, NM at Marc Bailey's residence.  Mr. Bailey does own the Mountain Top Merchentile in Cloudcroft, NM (not on IGA).  I talked with the local DNR Officer in Mich. a couple of weeks ago about this also.  Here in NM when something like this happens or an Officer seizes an animal, we have to sell the carcass.  I sold this cougar to a local taxidermist in Alamogordo, NM.  He sent the cougar hide off to a tannery in Mich to have the hide tanned.  The hide is back in his possession now.  So that might be the only connection to Mich.  All cougars and bear taken in NM are tagged with a green plastic pelt tag with a number assigned to that pelt.
 
Hope this clears things up.
 
 
Colin Duff
NM Dept. Game and Fish
Alamogordo District Wildlife Officer
 
 

So at this point, unless we get someone coming forward who can counter all of that evidence or provide some new details, we can safely say that the email appears to be a hoax. If you can prove me wrong in this case, let me know. Or if you have had a cougar sighting you would like to share, please leave your comments below.

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Cougars in MI?

Posted by Cheri S, MI - Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 5:56 p.m.

Saw an interesting story on cougars at: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6158309 It's worth checking out.

Sleeping Bear Dunes Cougar

Posted by Bob DeVerney, Grand Haven - Tuesday, October 13, 2009 at 12:30 p.m.

I agree with Don's post, once you see a cougar for yourself, all the skeptism is blah, blah. Last year my 15 yr. old son and I both witnessed a couger within 30 ft of our car on M-22 & 669 in SBD. They are there, i recommend leaving the trails marked with cougar signs. Several other have seen them also. I gert sick of trying to convince people, I just hope you get lucky enough to see one for yourself.......it's awsome!!!!!

money to burn

Posted by s. l., east of west - Sunday, October 04, 2009 at 7:21 p.m.

Bonnie - The answer to your question is fairly simple. A woman who volunteered at Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore CLAIMED to have seen a cougar while she was hiking there in 2003. Although that claim was never substantiated, staff at the Park authorized the signs apparently because they had money to burn and weren't particularly concerned about whether they confused the visiting public regarding which fauna are indignous at this Park. From November 2004 through April 2005, Jerry Belant, a regional wildlife biologist for NPS, conducted an intensive study at Sleeping Bear Dunes and did not detect even a hint of a cougar. I believe staff at Sleeping Bear Dunes misled the public by posting that sign as there never was an adequate reason for its installation, and also no reason since for maintaining it. NPS should remove the sign. It's truly ridiculuos - enough is enough. Call the Park Manager to see what is said regarding justification for that sign.

I agree with Bill, if there were cougars in Michigan, why hasn't one been killed by a car, or shot, or turned up dead somehow, as occurs in Florida and all the western states wherever cougars are actually present.

hmm...

Posted by BILL Bill, Charlevoix,Cnty - Friday, October 02, 2009 at 6:01 p.m.

whether there are, or are not cougars up here...i dont know. Nor does it really matter to me. Would it be exciting, YES! Do i want them here, not really. But I would love to see pictures of them from up here! I've been shown several trail cam pics of them over the years, but none are hi quality, or good enough to "prove" they are here. So i say...to ANYONE, if you've got pics then show them! And if you really wanna prove the cats are here then you better kill one, anything short of that won't cut it these days. Just my.02

Why?

Posted by Bonnie C, Traverse City - Tuesday, September 29, 2009 at 6:55 p.m.

If there are no cougars in this area, why are there warning signs about them at the Empire Bluff trail just south of Empire?

Cougar Picture

Posted by Ken Williamson, Elk Rapids - Friday, September 25, 2009 at 3:23 p.m.

What was up with the picture of the Cougar in the Express lasr week??? A hoax as well??

Thx for Clearing that Up.

Posted by Bob Sessa, Harrison Twp - Wednesday, September 23, 2009 at 5:27 p.m.

An awesome bit of Investigative Work. Good Job!

Cougar debate

Posted by Cheri S., MI - Wednesday, September 23, 2009 at 11:55 a.m.

Wow, I can't believe how uncompromising some people are in their beliefs (and how harsh and dismissive they are of people who disagree). We know someone who saw a cougar drop a deer in the river (bobcats and housecats can't haul a deer up a falling/leaning tree) and another saw one on their pond at their cabin. We've seen tracks (and yes, we know the difference between bear, bobcat, coyote, and cougar tracks) on our property. When I saw the e-mail and I thought it was a hoax but that doesn't mean they don't exist here and I didn't feel the need to attack the sender. We have huge areas of State and National Forest here in northern MI and a lot less traffic than FL. Cougars are very elusive cats and they avoid humans, so it's possible that they've never been hit by cars. Crows (which are considered very smart birds) are rarely hit by cars either and they are along the roads on roadkill all the time. We've never seen a Badger hit by a car but we've seen one in our back yard and on a golf course that's in the Forest. Good thing roadkill isn't verification of species. I agree that eyewitness accounts can be fallible. We owned and outfitting business and we got some hilarious accounts from "city folks" first time in the great outdoors but we've also talked to some people who have seen and done some amazing things and some people really are reliable witnesses. We've spent a lot of time backpacking and hiking in the mountains out west, in Appalachia and in Michigan and we would know a cougar if we saw one - now Big Foot, that's another story. I'll leave that to Monster Quest.

DNR's cougar conspiracy

Posted by Linda Gallagher, Central Lake - Wednesday, September 23, 2009 at 7:30 a.m.

Whoever believes the MWC's mantra that the MI DNR is hiding cougar evidence, and even cougars themselves, in this state needs to see a shrink. Work with the DNR on any type of project for any length of time, as I have over the course of 25 or so years as an outdoor writer and now editor, and you soon realize that being able to say that wild cougars are once again living in Michigan would be a HUGE feather in the DNR's cap...because it would be proof, and an end result, of their management efforts in this state.

Believe me, if they ever find a wild cougar, they'll admit it.

I cannot believe these things still catch the interest of the general public...it's possible there's one or two in the UP, and if anyone ever claims to see one up there, I'll listen. But people simply have to learn the difference between a tabby cat and a cougar down here in the lower peninsula, it frightens me how little people know about the outdoors these days, even those of us who live up here.

Hoax not Helpful

Posted by Cougar Believer, Hessel - Tuesday, September 22, 2009 at 4:30 p.m.

For all of us that do believe, a hoax like this only makes our battle even more of an uphill one! I still would love to hear about more sightings. Does anyone know of anything more to north? The straits?

Pigeon River Cougar

Posted by Judy Tc, Traverse City - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 10:50 p.m.

A few years ago my husband and I were driving through the Pigeon River State Forest looking for elk. It had gotten dark and we were near the Tin Shanty Bridge. A cougar crossed the road in front of our truck. There is no doubt what we saw. The cat was huge. It crossed the road in two easy lopes. The tail was thick, but not bushy and it was as long as the cat's body.
We have seen bobcats, foxes, coyotes, bears, house cats, and dogs crossing the road. This was not one of those. This was a cougar, pure and simple.

No cougars?

Posted by Paul Bigford, Branch - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 10:43 p.m.

As we debate the cougars. keep in mind that we used to hear there were no wolverines in Michigan and no wolves south of the bridge. I think there was a road kill in the UP and there is plenty of mention of evidence, such as http://www.schuylkillcenter.org/publications/quill/2008-the-eastern-cougar.html
I've also heard of a tagged Minnesota cougar being killed by a car outside st. Louis. If they can travel that far, they could pass through anyplace.

Not so, Don

Posted by Rick Johnson, Michigan - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 10:20 p.m.

Don, you are incorrect. There are many ways to mistake a variety of animals for cougars. In fact, it happens constantly. Human eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, so much so that they are useless as evidence. It is a well documented fact. That's why competent scientists, unlike crackpot scientists and pseudoscientists, advise that "sightings" of cougars which are not verified (and none have been verified in Michigan since 1906), no matter how many, no matter by who, are useless as evidence.

And, humans are also easily affected by suggestion. That's way the endless, strident and baseless claims made by the Michigan Wildlife Conservancy that wild, breeding cougars are present in every county, repeated constantly over the last 10 years and facilitated by credulous, gullible, ignorant "reporters" have only resulted in more cougar sightings. Then MWC can say we have "thousands" of sightings, so clearly, there are cougars everywhere. It's a crock.

Not one cougar has turned up in Michigan since 1906. What does that tell us?

A cougar was just hit by a car near Bemidji, MN. There is no breeding population there, only a few dispersers and escaped pets. Yet, several dead ones have turned up. But not one in Michigan.

Don, would you like to be convicted of a crime and sent to jail based solely on an unverified eyewitness account that you were the one they saw committing the crime? No? Why not?

Don, are you aware that a deer can leap a road in 2 strides? Probably even a golden retriever could do that. Both have been mistaken for cougars.

I'm sure you think you saw a cougar. But, with all due respect, Don, when you say "There is no way to mistake one for anything else; really," it's not just a shame, it's comical. It's more than possible to make a mistake, it's routine. Even you, Don, could be mistaken, as hard as that is to believe. Cougar misidentification happens constantly even in states with known substantial cougar populations.

Several years ago in Redland, CA, residents reported a cougar in a neighborhood. A police officer responded and gunned down - a house cat! With a scoped rifle! And you're telling us there's no way to mistake a cougar?

And when zero evidence turns up to support all these sightings, there's really only one conclusion to draw.

Think it through.

Cougar within 13' of me while deer hunting years ago

Posted by William Sarow, Indian River - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 10:09 p.m.

About 25 years ago I had a 150 pound cougar walk slowly past me while I was deer hunting near Onaway. It was standing only 13' from me at the nearest point; but somehow it never knew I was there---note: I had the safety for my deer rifle off in case it turned on me. There was about 1.5" of snow on the ground and it was about November 20th, 5:00 PM. It was stalking a group of 5 pats that had run by my blind about 15 minutes before. There was absolutely no doubt that it was a cougar.

When my hunting partner came over at 5:30 to my blind I showed him the tracks in the snow and they measured 5.25" across------no bob cat ever had that size of track and no bob cat has a 4' long tail.

I have hunted that area for 30 years and have never seen it again. I did golf with a retired DNR Officer last year who believed my story as he shot at a cougar many years ago that had killed people's pets in southern Michigan.

If these cougars were totally wild; or released pets I have no idea.

There is really no debate.......

Posted by Don Paone, Beulah - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 9:12 p.m.

Once you have seen one, as I did years ago, leap a road in two strides, all the debate is just blah, blah, blah.

There is no way to mistake one for anything else; really.

Michigan citizen

Posted by Rick Johnson, Michigan - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 8:48 p.m.

Nicki, shall we hold our breath while you speed those photos down to the DNR in Lansing? By the way, Nicki, your comment about DNR releasing cougars to remove deer, and refusing to acknowledge "because then they need to find money to deal with them" sounds a lot like the Michigan Wildlife Conservancy party line. Any chance you're one of their "cougar trackers." You shouldn't let yourself be duped by Dennis and Pat. Shouldn't parrot their baloney. They are frauds. There is no credible evidence for any cougars in Michigan. Even the bumper hair and tracks in the U.P. "confirmed" by DNR are likely fraudulent.

I wonder if MWC has some role in this latest hoax?

By the way, everyone who follows this should read a well researched two part article published in July 2007 in The Michigan Outdoor News which sheds a great deal of light on the dubious claims of cougar presence in Michigan. The article may be found at:

http://www.michiganoutdoornews.com/articles/2007/07/05/news/news4.txt

http://www.michiganoutdoornews.com/articles/2007/07/27/news/news2.txt

Can't wait to see your photos, Nicki! You will be the first to produce some real evidence of cougars in Michigan! Then you can INSIST you PROVED the cougars are here.

Attn: Mary Detloff

Posted by kelly duggan, Custer - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 8:40 p.m.

Mary Detloff. Hi Mary. I recently had the local DNR pick up some "cougar scat" from my pasture as I had a cougar here stalking my horses. One was lame. I am wondering why they keep giving me the run around on the analyzing of the scat? They say there is no budget for it but they wanted to pick it up anyway. I had 5 neighbors also witness the COUGAR in my pasture. Thanks.

Attn: Mary Detloff

Posted by kelly duggan, Custer - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 8:34 p.m.

Mary Detloff. Hi Mary. I recently had the local DNR pick up some "cougar scat" from my pasture as I had a cougar here stalking my horses. One was lame. I am wondering why they keep giving me the run around on the analyzing of the scat? They say there is no budget for it but they wanted to pick it up anyway. I had 5 neighbors also witness the COUGAR in my pasture. Thanks.

Cougars in Michigan

Posted by kelly duggan, custer - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 8:21 p.m.

I would like to comment that I DID have a cougar in my pasture about 3 weeks ago. I had a lame horse in my front paddock and she had fresh blood draining from just above her hoof. I looked out my window as I was leaving for a meeting and noticed a large cat walking across my pasture where is sat down and watched my barn where my horses were resting inside. It was only about 20 feet from their door to their stall. I think it sensed the injured horse, that is all I can think of. I about died when I took another look. Yes, a cougar, sand/tan colored with a LONG tail. I even looked at it closely with binoculars to see its details. It was only about 170 feet from my house. It appeared to be about 100 pounds. Long lanky and yes, beautiful, but nothing that I cared to have hanging around. I had 3 DNR people at my house along with a live trapper and the local newspaper person but the cougar had took off. I also had 5 other neighbors witness the cougar before the DNR and others arrived. I did not have a camera and still kick myself. I have to say that there have been several sightings south of Custer near the PM river and they are here. This WAS NOT a bobcat. It was a cougar. I know the difference and this is the second one I have seen in two years in my immediate area.

Mountain Lion Nonsense

Posted by Ben Dover, Sarasota Florida - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 5:56 p.m.

When is someone going to put a stop to this incredible nonsense about mountain lions in Michigan? I have seen numerous accounts of "mountain lions" on film in Michigan that are HOUSE CATS - Felis domesticus. They are not mountain lions - Felis concolor. Anyone with the intelligence that evolution gave a cucumber could see they are house cats. Why the hysteria?

If there are mountain lions in Michigan why has not ONE been found as a roadkill? Here in Florida we have about 100 or so Florida Panthers (a race of Felis concolor) and they are regulalry hit by cars despite signs all over the place; fences erected to keep them off highways and informational programs designed to make drivers aware of the presence of the endangered animals. So...if the Wolverine State is infested by mountain lions as many crackpots there claim, including the PhD at the Michigan Wildlife Association or whatever its called, why are you not seeing ONE roadkilled animal?

The bottom line of all this nonsense is this. What earthly difference would it make if there WERE mountain lions in Michigan anyway? For me I would LOVE to see mountain lions in Michigan again because it would mean some sort of balance was coming back to the landscape after many years of overpopulation and overexploitation by humans. Maybe Michigan would be regaining some of the wilderness it once had if the big kitties were there again. But, alas, all the evidence points to idiots with an agenda, and "news" outlets too quick to put video on the tube without fact checking, about house cats someone wants to pretend are mountain lions. Why are they creating hysteria about a non-issue.

Time for a kill!

Posted by DITKAS MUSTACHE, KINGSLEY - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 4:42 p.m.

I hope some hunter bags one of these cats this fall so we can end this debate. Another recycled news story from 7&4, last week it was the bridge card now its cougars. Must be hard coming up with news stories when nothing really happens here in T.C. Marc, I'm going to say it for you, "There are cougars here in N.M." It's just a hunch but chances are very good! Now let's watch the stories come in, I'm sure your advertisers will be proud.

DNR would like to see trail cam photos

Posted by Mary Dettloff, Lansing - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 4:29 p.m.

Nicki,

Please send the trail cam photos to me at the DNR in Lansing. I will send them on to our Wildlife Division employees for further investigation. The DNR did not reintroduce cougars in Michigan to kill off deer. This is yet another myth out there. You can email the photos to TV 7&4 and they know how to get them to me.

Mary Dettloff - Public Information Officer, Michigan DNR

Cougars for sure

Posted by M P, Boston. MA - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 4:27 p.m.

Approximatley 10 years ago, my brother and I were just west of Marion, MI where we were parked, having a few beers and a smoke. After some time, my brother turned on his headlights. We were both suprised by what we saw. It looked like a cougar to both of us...we are both outdoorsmen. About a week after that I was working around my yard(in Marion) and as I went into the garage I looked down the street and KNOW I saw a cougar. I didn't let my son play outside by himself for about a year!! I'm sure of what I saw. I searched and searched for tracks that day but couldn't find any. This was in the village limits of Marion and also a year that several people declared seeing a cougar in that area. So FU DNR...you're really not so smart.

COUGAR

Posted by J WING, CUSTER MI - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 3:47 p.m.

ON FACEBOOK THERE IS A PICTURE OF SOMEONE POSING WITH A DEAD COUGAR SUPPOSEDLY HIT RECENTLY BY A VEHICLE NORTH OF BALDWIN ON M37 NEAR 8 MILE RD. ROGER RITTENHOUSE HAS THE PHOTO POSTED I BELIEVE.

Mesick Cougar Pics

Posted by Brad Molski, Kalkaska - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 3:32 p.m.

Nicki- I think there are a lot of people out there who would like to see the trail cam pics you have of a cougar in Mesick. Is there any way you can send those pics to 7&4?

Resident

Posted by Nicki Budgeon, Mesick - Monday, September 21, 2009 at 3:05 p.m.

I have trail cam pictures of cougars coming into our yard in Mesick. I live approximately a 1/2 mile from the Manistee River. I have many pics to PROVE we have cougars in Mesick. Our rabbits were taken, our chickens killed and you can hear them at night. I have photographed many foot prints of BIG CATS on our 40 acres and no one can call me a liar with the proof I have. Call the DNR and they INSIST there are no cougars yet a DNR officer friend of ours said they will deny any exist in the area because then they need to find money to deal with them. They brought them in to kill some of the deer herds and will not take responsibility of introducing them into the state.

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