Fact Finder: Are All Stop Signs Enforceable? Watch Video Read Comments
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By Marc Schollett
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 at 1:46 p.m.

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If you see a stop sign, chances are you know exactly what you are supposed do. But one viewer contacted me, wondering if all stop signs were in fact created equally and if so, why isn't more being done to make sure everyone obeys them. The answers I found for her are the subject of this Fact Finder.

Kelly King drives up and down Aero Park Drive in Traverse City a couple of times each and everyday to get to work. She says the drive is usually pretty uneventful, until she nears the crossing with the TART trail at Parsons. According to Kelly "More often than not, I would say at least 70% of the time there is somebody that is not stopping at the stop sign that's causing the cars to either swerve or suddenly break." Most days, she is reminded when she gets there, that she needs to worry not only about herself in her car but also something she can't see till it's too late. Kelly says "It's a blind intersection. There is a lot of foliage that's designated to make the TART trail more beautiful to ride on but that is a visual barrier between the bicycles and the cars."

Kelly says too often, as a driver, she has to deal with cyclists not stopping at those mini stop signs on the TART trail. Instead they just cross Aero Park Drive into traffic that doesn't have to stop. She says to make matters worse; landscaping has grown up virtually blocking the view for riders or drivers to see each other. Kelly fears "A car is going to hit somebody. The cars have the right of way right here and the bikes are not stopping, and its not just here, I seem to encounter it all along where the TART trail passes a road in the town."

After on too many close calls, Kelly contacted me with a simple request, "I want you to find out if the stop signs can be regulated? If there is anyway for tickets to happen or enforcement to happen because there is going to be an accident."

Bottom line, are all stop signs created equal when it comes to the law? Even if they are smaller, a different color, handmade, or only pertain to bike riders?

To get the answer, I went to an expert at the Michigan State Police Headquarters and asked him what makes a stop sign a legal stop sign? Few people know the rules of road better than Sgt. Jerry Hilborn with the Michigan State police and he says "the stop signs you see on roadways have traffic control orders backing them and according to the manual of uniform traffic control devices a national standard that Michigan has adopted. Those signs are a certain dimension and placed a certain district from the roadway."

So there are standards when it comes to what one looks like, and where its placed, but what really makes a stop sign legal and enforceable is not what it looks like but rather a piece of paper called a traffic control order. Sgt. Hilborn explains that piece of paper has a lot of power, "a traffic control order is the paperwork legitimizing a stop sign, speed limit sign, and no parking signs in the area. Traffic control orders legitimize a sign for law enforcement purposes."

So if a stop sign has a traffic control order on file, troopers, officers, and deputies can write tickets if you race through one. That may not be good news for Kelly though because according to the Sgt. Hilborn "the signs on bike trails, private property, malls, shopping centers, they don't normally have a traffic control order behind them they are placed there for public safety and for safe traffic patterns."

Now this is critical, just because you can't get ticketed for running these stop signs doesn't mean it's a good idea because "all the stop signs, we should treat like regular stop signs that might not have the traffic control order backing them but they are placed in these areas to keep people safe and to keep traffic moving in a safe and orderly manner."

In other words, they are there for a reason. If you run one, you may not get ticketed, but if you run one and cause an accident, you could be found at fault and held responsible. The TART organizers say they are aware that running one of these may not get you ticketed but it could get you hurt. In a written statement, they told me:

"We strongly encourage trail riders to obey the trail signage. The signs are there for their own safety. We even put "Stop at STOP signs" on our trail guidelines signage that is on the trails. Our goal is to promote a safe trail experience for all." --Missy Luyk, Trail Program Specialist

So what do you think? What have your experiences been with bike and pedestrian crossings, or any unorthodox stop signs?

Please leave a comment below.

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nice try

Posted by bill of rights, Northern MI - Friday, August 14, 2009 at 3:57 p.m.


the Original question was a very valid one, however as we all know NOTHING will be done until a car whacks off a biker then the media,police,etc will put on the air "unknown if alcohol" was a factor making everyone think the motorist may have been drunk as they do with every accident reported.
smash a few bikers and those signs will be enforced, and very visible and i am sure some stupid do gooder law will also be set in place, like you must wear a knee pad set no further than 3 inches above your knee while riding a bike.
bikers are a pain in the butt they run the middle of the road wont move over and all because " they have the right of way" so nothing will change.
the police would rather write a ticket to a vehicle driver while a motorcycle runs around without baffles and pipes ( very loud) or use all its man power in a seat belt check/ticket zone while stores are robbed,people are shot,drunks run over innocent people and vehicles, and kids are kidnapped.
in short run a few of them bikers over and things will change, why swerve out of control and put yourself and another innocent driver and passengers in danger..

Missing the point

Posted by Josh K, Traverse City - Thursday, August 13, 2009 at 4:49 p.m.

To the TART trail:

I think you missed the point a little bit. Mrs. King was mostly referring to the point of cyclists not stopping or looking. Watch the video and you can clearly see multiple people blowing through the sign without looking. That is the main problem. She had stated that with the foliage and people NOT stopping caused a problem. The foliage is beautiful and if people stopped, it wouldn't be an issue. But the MAIN issue is are the stop signs enforceable?? And if not when a cyclist runs the sign and I plow into them with my car, who gets in trouble and who's insurance skyrockets and who pays for the damages to the cyclist?

wouldn't it be easier to just stop?

Posted by Kelly King, Traverse City - Thursday, August 13, 2009 at 4:19 p.m.

Trimming the foliage is not going to stop the near accidents from happening...The near miss auto/bike accidents are just as bad at Parsons and Airport Access...where there is no foliage.
Its all about the stop signs

Trim the foilage

Posted by Missy Luyk, Traverse City - Thursday, August 13, 2009 at 2:13 p.m.

Just saw the video clip. We'll be trimming the foilage this weekend. Although it seems that Kelly could have just asked her workplace to contact whoever maintains the business park grounds to cut back the shrubbery as well. Or she could have called TART instead of calling the TV station. Just a thought.

story about stop sign on Aero Park/bike path

Posted by M Gallo, Northport - Thursday, August 13, 2009 at 1:08 p.m.

A little known fact: bicycle operators are required to obey te vehicle code the same as drivers, except when it would be impossible--speed limits, for example.

A bike rider (or motorist) failing to stop before entering a public roadway from private property can be cited for that offense, whether there's a stop sign in place or not. He could also be cited for failure to yield right-of-way, if his action caused a motorist to swerve or brake to avoid the bike.

STOP SIGNS

Posted by MARK HOFFMAN, EAST JORDAN - Wednesday, August 12, 2009 at 11:50 p.m.

I think that the stop signs should be changed to yield signs, or yield to traffic. We all know what stop means but why stop if there is no traffic. but we also need to understand as a bike rider you do not want have an encounter with a car, because we know who will hurt the most.

Stop Signs and Paths

Posted by D S, Traverse City - Wednesday, August 12, 2009 at 11:24 p.m.

There is a Bike path design class in traverse city at the end of the month. The last time they were here to teach it the instructor said that the signs should be placed to stop the driveway not the path.

When in a car you need to remember not to block the path and to watch for cyclists. Especially on the path us US-31 the goes to the Mall I ride that trail frequently and no one crossing the trail in a car even pays attention to if the path is being used, and they block the path.

I think officers should ticket cyclists and motorists alike if they violate street stop signs. But they won't do it, ticket the cyclist that is. I think we need a new system of tickets that are specifically for enforcing the laws for the cyclist with special fines, so that all sides are held equally responsible for their actions on the road.

Stop Signs Anywhere

Posted by Sara Smith, Bear Lake - Wednesday, August 12, 2009 at 11:16 p.m.

It has come to my attention that any stops signs in cities, bike paths or villages people just see then as a slow down not a stop sign. I live on the corner of Stuart and Wise here in Bear Lake and have called in a few people for running the stop signs here in the town but it still seems like nothing is being done about it. I have two small children and I will not let them play in the yard for very long for fear of a car running the stop sign and having to swerve to miss something and come up into our yard to miss a car running the stop sign. This happens on all three stop signs on our street. It is so bad that people just stop or even slow down at the place where there is no stop sign! I believe that there is a lot more that could be done so that people don't get hurt.

Bicycles rights and responsibilities

Posted by Kathryn Lienau, United States - Wednesday, August 12, 2009 at 10:42 p.m.

I live at the corner of Fitzhugh and US31 S near Meijers. When bikers don't stop at the stop sign, people turning off of 31 on to Fitzhugh, cause near accidents. Cars turning have to stop in traffic to wait for the Bicycles.
There are also many places where there are no stop signs along the trail.

I know bicycles have rights but they also have responsibilities. To themself and others.

Thank you
Kathy

Trim the foliage

Posted by T. Nelson, TC - Wednesday, August 12, 2009 at 2:32 p.m.

In Kelly's particular case, it sounds like a trimming of the foliage would greatly improve the situation, and could be done pretty easily. She should contact Tart organizers about getting that done, or, take a trimmer of some kind to work and take care of it on the way home from work.